He reverts back to Kid Buu, pure evil. As for the evidence that SSJ3 Goku could beat Super Buu. Krillin, Goten and Trunks are just idiots who rely on their eyes instead of sensing Ki; Krillin made the same mistake with Freeza. So, Buuiccolo would be Super Buu with the power of Piccolo, Goten, and Trunks (SSJs). Fat Buu severely damaged him and scorched him too despite being factually weaker too, guess he's Fat Buu level now. Now, Good Buu is the the combination of SSK, SGK, and the goodness inside Buu that Hercule found. Not the same mistake, or situation. However, they are not 100% pure of heart. I've found this to be a way more tricky debate than I figured it would be. https://dragonball.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:Buu%27s_by_level_of_strength?oldid=1290435. Even if Gohan becomes stronger than Buu Saga Goku, there's just too much of a gap for him to overcome. This makes Buutenks undoubtedly the strongest form yet. Iirc, Kid Buu was even weaker than Fat Buu, but was insanely destructive to the point where he seemingly came out ahead. Only when Super Buu absorbed Gotenks SSJ3 and Picollo did he lose his ground. The second link is the chapter where Goku states he is weaker than Super Buu. I must ask  Why you think Evil Buu would equal Kid Buu? SSJ3 Goku was about equal to Fat Buu. (Not Good Buu.) Now, he fights against SSJ3 Gotenks and almost loses. There is Zero Evidence that Kid Buu's ki fell after Goku and Vegeta noted that it was rising. After the whole sheniganans with Super Buu and Buff Buu, Goku is more pleased to see Kid Buu than worried about his strength. He then preceeds to absorb Gohan and create the strongest form of Buu ever. This list includes absorbsions, not just the Buu's normal forms. Manga Trunks's SS2 was on par with the SS3 Goku who is stronger than his Buu arc counterpart. It is probably safe to say that Trunks would have defeated fat Buu, how easily is another discussion. Now, at this point there is no indication that Kid Buu is weaker than SSK. Kid Buu does much better than Fat Buu, implying that over time Buu really does just get stronger. That means that the Ultra Buu we see here is stronger than Super Buu. Goku: “We did it! That's not to say that Fat Buu and Kid Buu are the same in strength. But the simple fact is, Goku goes toe-to-toe with him for a significant period of time as an unfused Super Saiyan 3, the same as he did against Fat Buu. The good heart of the SGK (not the SSK) caused his Full power to be restrained. While no one explicitly said Boo's Ki increased, no one said it didn't, and Goku's later admission is proof it did. He does have his memory, and experience. I don't know how hard this is to get. Now, Fat Buu gained power from the SGK, but he also gained a childish mind. Now, Evil Buu is the presence of Kid Buu inside of Buu. SSJ3 Goku >= SSJ Gotenks Pre. I think kid buu is stronger for 2 reasons, well during the battle against kid buu it didn't seem like Goku was holding back like he was holding back against the fat Majin buu. He reminded us about a fight that he had, and said he could have won it if he wanted to, but pretended to draw: One thing you cannot change is Goku admitting to being weaker than Super Boo. There's no conflict. This is a split board - You can return to the Split List for other boards. Goku: “We did it! Super Buu is born. I will now be referring to him as Pure Boo from this point on so follow me here. You're browsing the GameFAQs Message Boards as a guest. Ok, I am going to start with Kid Buu and see if I can't figure this out. 1) Super Boo is stronger than him, made when he's inside of Super Boo. Vegeta notices a pod. I dont have him that strong, and i dont have any buu character being hundreds of times stronger than a ssj3 goku, thats on you if you do. Explaining why when SSJ3 Goku pounded on him, why he liked it. Goten and Trunks have more development than Goku in Super. If you recall, Goku Refused to fight Super Buu alone (after gotenks had defused) and would only do so with the help of Vegeta. It's shown and stated multiple times Kid Buu>Gotenks and Gohan. Even though SSJ3 Goku could have beaten Kid Buu, it's unlikely he could take on someone even stronger. Super Dragon Ball Heroes: Universe Mission!! Now, at this point we've established that Buuiccolo is stronger than Super Buu, and Goku was confident about fighting him. That's all the evidence you really need. Even ssj3 Goku couldn't beat kid Buu. That means that Goku was worn out and tired when he made the comment about Super Buu killing him and Vegeta. I think kid buu is stronger for 2 reasons, well during the battle against kid buu it didn't seem like Goku was holding back like he was holding back against the fat Majin buu. As Gohan is stronger than SSj3 Gotenks, then so would Buuhan be stronger than Buutenks, Now, they rip out some pods, and revert him back to Super Buu. Do you think Goku should still be able to ride the Flying Nimbus in Super? He also says that his power has doubled since their last fight. Now, when the fusion runs out, Buutenks is fighting Goku while Gohan tries to find an earing. Thus Buuhan > Super Buu > Kid Buu. Now, after figthing with Super Grand Kai, he again absobs him as well. As Gohan is stronger than SSj3 Gotenks, then so would Buuhan be stronger than Buutenks, Now, they rip out some pods, and revert him back to Super Buu. Goku tells Fat Buu that a warrior stronger than himself will fight Buu in two days. The Z Fighters INCREASED his power. Now, he seperates into 2 entities. Kid Buu easily brushes aside both Fat Buu and Vegeta, making Goku's sustained fight all the more impressive. This is simply not true. Another way you could tell is that Dabura was stated to be about equal to Cell, Fat Buu killed Dabura, and kid Buu is stronger than Fat Buu. All of this proves Kid Buu … Evil Buu is stated to be stronger than Kid Buu based on his fight with Mr. Good Buu. Goku said he could have beaten Fat Boo, but said Super Boo would kill him. Gogeta > Super Buu (base form) > SSJ3 Goku + SSJ2 Vegeta. Every piece of information in the manga tells us that Super Buu is stronger than Kid Buu. If you recall, Goku Refused to fight Super Buu alone (after gotenks had defused) and would only do so with the help of Vegeta. But yah, I … Now Kid Buu is basically in control of his body again, but the GSK stil causes him to have a soft spot for Hercule and Bee. Easy, Kid Boo, Kid Boo, Kid Boo! So, the GSK "weakend" Buu, but it ultimatley didn't matter. This means that Good Buu and Evil Buu are weaker than Fat Buu. I also believe Buuiccolo to be stronger than Ultra Buu, but other than that I agree with your list.Ultimatessj1 (talk) 22:10, March 3, 2014 (UTC)UltimateSSJ1, idk exactly where i would put southern kai absorbed but definitely somewhere between kid buu and fat buu. Goku's later admission is specifically about who he fought, he didn't fight Super Buu. Just because it wasn't explicitly said before doesn't mean it wasn't the case. Really controversial fight such as Goku vs Gohan, since Gohan was stronger than Super Bu and Goku was in tie with kid buu. Below is a link with a detailed explanation, stating how Goku is weaker than not only Buu, but Gotenks and Gohan as well. Maybe he could take Fat Buu (the one that originally hatched) as SSJ3 Goku was able to go head to head with that version. Was Goku just not trying hard enough? Goku said that if he and Vegeta fought Super Buu, they would lose, which on its own could mean that Super Buu is stronger than SSJ3 Goku, that would imply that Super Buu > SSJ3 Goku > Fat Buu. I believe that gokus maximum power as SSJ3 is far stronger than fat buus max, but can he overcome buus hax regen before SSJ3 runs out? So, with the innocent mind of a child, that would make Fat Buu not even want to do his own deeds, but to do as he is told. Now, at this point we've established that Buuiccolo is stronger than Super Buu, and Goku was confident about fighting him. Nothing to hold him from tapping into his power. ~Shin Izanagi, Can't argue with this. SF latif So you would have base Gogeta at least being 10x stronger than ssj3 Goku, once he goes super saiyan, he would be at least a whooping 500x stronger than ssj3 Goku, at bare minimum. This is simply not true. Or he was warming up, which ever you believe, either way it didn't matter because he was no match for Gohan. Meaning, thus far Super Buu is the strongest Buu to appear. [[Category:{{{1}}}|Buu's by level of strength]]. Which, not only made him easier to manipulate, but also, contained his power. The power of Evil Buu, added on to Good Buu, gives birth to a strength much greater than Kid Buu. SSj3 Goku stated that he believed he might have been able to beat Fat Buu had he tried. Why Do You Think Goku Lied About Being Weaker Than Super Boo? Now, after a fight with Gotenks, he befriends Hercule, and ultimately the SGK's plan is finally being put into effect. Supreme kai said that other kais make Buu weaker, but he was talking mostly about Fat Buu as weaker than kid Buu. Kid buu DID almost beat fat buu to death, so it shows that buu can be killed without vaporizing him with a spirit bomb. I also want to know how Evil Buu is stronger than Fat Buu? If he's stronger than Fat Boo but weaker than Super Boo, that means Super > Fat Boo. SSJ Gotenks Post is much stronger and has to be equal if not greater than Goku.. It's fucking basic powerscaling. After the whole sheniganans with Super Buu and Buff Buu, Goku is more pleased to see Kid Buu than worried about his strength. Good Buu is in it. He would have to reach the level of Gotenks all on his own. So this means that the Kid Buu at the end of DBZ is much stronger than the Kid Buu that obsorbed the Kai's, as he would be about on par with Evil Buu at the time of his creation. So, Buu did not get a restrain on power like he did from the GSK, but an increase like he did from the SSK. Ssj3 Goku is at least 4x stronger than Ssj2 Gohan, so there is a lot of wiggle room for Gotenks to be stronger than Fat Boo, but not quite there with Ssj3 Goku.. He has nothing to restrain his power (No GSK) but also has no extra boosts. He has two later admissions. I just think it's a bit excessive to have Goku that much stronger than Buu. @Muzic: Kid Buu is actually weaker than Super Buu (base form). So, this means that Super buu is Kid Buu with power SSK, and GSK, without the power restraining. In Z it fluctuates and in Super, we know who’s stronger. SSJ2 Goku: 110-SSJ3: 440--Vs. Goku stated that him and Vegeta can't beat Super Buu once they will be out of his body. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Now released, Evil Buu is the mind of Kid Buu with out being Buu. Goku can kill Kid Buu, who is stronger than Super Buu. Buuiccolo is born, and SSJ3 Goku says "You don't expect to beat me like that do you?" Let me explain, Bibidi says if Buu serves him he will feed him cake forever. Dragon Ball Wiki is a FANDOM Anime Community. Also it was stated somewhere that Gohan was the strongest non-fused guy by the end of DBZ (interview or something) Goten and Trunks never sensed a power increase with Super Buu, but in RoSaT they admitted that it would take SSJ3 to beat him. Gohan easily dominated and beat the hell out of Super Buu, who was far stronger than Fat Buu. Now, Goku admits he can beat Kid Buu. Now, that could imply a whole hell of a lot about SSJ3 Goku and Ultimate Gohan, but that's not what we are talking about. Agreed. there are people that actually believe buutenks and buuhan are weaker than kid buu, and that ssj3 goku could have handled all of them, because of sources outside of the manga released years after it ended trying to spin the narrative of "kid buu and ssj3 goku were the strongest characters in the series up to that point", despite all evidence in the actual series suggesting otherwise Indeed. As Gohan is stronger than SSj3 Gotenks, then so would Buuhan be stronger than Buutenks, Now, they rip out some pods, and revert him back to Super Buu. Buuhan. Super Buu on the other hand is significantly stronger and was formed after Fat Buu was absorbed by Evil Buu. So, since they didn't decrease his power, that means that Buuiccolo is stronger than Super Buu, but weaker than Buutenks. Now, as they fight, Evil Buu wins (as they are both part of Buu, and the evil has always had more power than the good) and absorbs Good Buu. SS3 Gotenks was stronger than Super Buu and so is Kid Buu. However, Goku said it, so we will just believe it for now. In the Anime Filler he is a SSJ3, and no match for Buutenks. #MajinBuu#Goku#GokuVsMajinBuuI DO NOT OWN ANY OF THIS CONTENT ALL CONTENT BELONGS TO THE ORIGINAL OWNERS! Not the esscence of himself (Evil Buu) but now 100% evil in control. This means that when Super Buu was born, the spirit of the GSK became one with Good Buu, causing them to almost bascially be the fusion form of Buu and GSK. Hercule shows him what it means to have a friend and a good heart. Why? However, he lost all his additonal power from other people. But the simple fact is, Goku goes toe-to-toe with him for a significant period of time as an unfused Super Saiyan 3, the same as he did against Fat Buu. A monster created for killing. Ultimatessj1 (talk) 14:42, March 1, 2014 (UTC)UltimateSSJ1. Gohan didn't seem to be trying that much against Super Buu also though. Goten, Trunks and Krillin all failed to sense a power in Super Buu, which on its own could mean that Super Buu's ki isn't greater than Fat Buu's ki, which would imply SSJ3 Goku > Super Buu = Fat Buu. But just minutes before is confident that he and Vegeta could not beat Super Buu. This way, we might be able to manage something.” Through this statement, Goku believes Kid Buu is roughly Fat Buu level, or at the very least far below Super Buu. You can call Goten and Trunks idiots if you want, the fact remains that they can sense ki, and didn't sense Super Buu's go up. They are even or Kid Buu is stronger. I mean, once Gohan turned into his ultimate/mystic form he was giving Super Buu a run for his money and Goku couldn't barely take down Fat Buu when he turned into a SSJ3. Evil Buu and Good Buu. SSJ3 Goku could have won against Kid Buu or Fat Buu.. Krillin didn't notice an increase when Freeza transformed, either, but he was still stronger; we can rule Kucklin out of this. This way, we might be able to manage something.” Through this statement, Goku believes Kid Buu is roughly Fat Buu level, or at the very least far below Super Buu. On Namek, Krillin made the mistake of judging someone for their appearance, not the mistake of failing to sense ki as if it wasn't there, so no, not the same mistake. there are people that actually believe buutenks and buuhan are weaker than kid buu, and that ssj3 goku could have handled all of them, because of sources outside of the manga released years after it ended trying to spin the narrative of "kid buu and ssj3 goku were the strongest characters in the series up to that point", despite all evidence in the actual series suggesting otherwise Now, Piccolo has been a good soul since the Dragon Ball days, and has the previous Kame-sama inside of him. If Kid Buu was above Super Buu then that would mean SSJ3 Gotenks is < SSJ3 Goku. That's not to say that Fat Buu and Kid Buu are the same in strength. Now, when SSJ3 Goku fights Fat Buu, Piccolo notes that his power increases with every hit. 2 years ago I don't think there's one thing I don't agree with about this list, good job! Struggled against SSK, and decided to absorb him. Becasue the ability to get stronger, he is still no Buuhan or Buutenks, but over time his power has increased that much. He is pure evil. Now this cause him to change and creates Ultra Buu. He got to cocky, typical of him when he has the upper hand. Goku in SSJ3 could have taken Fat Buu if he really tried. Goten and Trunks are kids, innocent. It's so clear he wasn't at full power. Again, no "real" restrain on his power. Now, Super Buu is the same as Fat Buu, but without the GSK's effects making him innocent and restraining his power. Also, I know that Fat Buu and Super Buu are made of the same beings, but so are Gogeta and Veku. SSj3 Goku stated that he believed he might have been able to beat Fat Buu had he tried. Now, keep in mind he is still Buu. As Ultra Buu is changing, Goku and Vegeta says his power is rising. well kid buu > fat buu is a stated fact and SSJ3 goku wolluped fat buu it was one of gokus most one sided fights ever majin buu couldnt even TOUCH him and this was a SSj3 goku who admited to piccolo he held back Uh, what? It’s not even that. This creates Fat Buu. I agree Shin. After Bee is killed, this causes Fat Buu to go crazy. Now, Goku mopped Fat Buu, but he was not using full power or really doing any critical damgage to Buu. You guys got it wrong:  The Kias brought down Kid Buu power because they are pure kindness. Super Buu on the other hand is significantly stronger and was formed after Fat Buu was absorbed by Evil Buu. Although I think my list covers it better, you  have logical points to back the placement of the Buu's. In desperation, he absrobs Piccolo and SSJ3 Gotenks. No he isn’t. =) WaffleGuy26 (talk) 01:48, July 14, 2014 (UTC). Both Goku and Vegeta felt confident enough that SSJ3 Goku would be able to beat Kid Buu once he had revved up enough power. Vegeta or Goku(forgot which) makes a comment about how Fat Buu seemed to be taking more damage because the opponent was a Buu … Privacy PolicyCookie SettingsDo Not Sell My InformationReport Ad. People are so hooked up on this argument so it’s time to squash some of this. I think it's weird that Goku only mentions being stronger than Fat Boo when talking to Vegeta, instead of saying something like "Truth is, I could … He chose to judge Frieza by his appearance, and was corrected, then 3 characters mentioned Frieza's ki size. I know they are the  pure evil forms, but Evil Buu is not all of Buu, because Good was created, Buu had a been split into. Ok, Bibidi creates Kid Buu. There's this whole discussion of Kid Buu > Super Buu (base) because everyone thinks SSj3 can own Super Buu (base) because he was only a "little" stronger of Fat Buu who SSj3 Goku … Ultimate Gohan was stronger than SSJ3 Gotenks, who fought Super Buu, and Goku said he couldnt beat Super Buu. Now, at this point we've established that Buuiccolo is stronger than Super Buu, and Goku was confident about fighting him. He fought pretty evenly with Kid Buu and said he thought he had the power ot destroy him. First off, I will introduce the most important and obvious examples. Take your favorite fandoms with you and never miss a beat. That's more proof that Gotenks SSJ3 is stronger than him, not to mention Goku already stated he couldn't defeat Super Buu. I think. (Anime) and in the Manga he says "Even Gohan can beat you now." Of course, Super Saiya-jin 3 Gotenks is stronger than Super Saiya-jin Gotenks. Super Dragon Ball Heroes: Dark Demon Realm Mission! There is Zero evidence that Super Buu's ki ever rose above Fat Buu level. Now, Vegeta rips the pod, and that is  when the SSK spirit actually leaves, as he was completley absorbed into Buu's body at this point. We notice this when he reverts back to Ultra Buu. Goku didn't just randomly bring up a full list of all the people he could beat. That was because it was Buu fighting another Buu. So, easier to manipulate. It's just that by the time Kid Buu rolls around everyone who was strong enough to contend with Super Buu has been pushed off the stage, you have Vegeta still at Cell's level and Goku who's too exhausted to maintain SSJ3 long enough to get the win. Ssj3 Goku VS Fat Buu Gotenks Buu Kid Buu ... buu and possibly Kid buu if he had gone all out Although Gotenks Buu would be a different story since ssj gotenks is stronger than ssj3 goku … Kid Buu easily brushes aside both Fat Buu and Vegeta, making Goku's sustained fight all the more impressive. So this also says that even though Kid Buu is much stronger than he was a birth, he is still weaker than Super Buu. The spirit of the SSK, went into Uub. Almost like a zenkai type of power up. So I believe, that Evil Buu was just the essence or mind of Kid Buu. Correct me anywhere I'm wrong, but do not say any of the following: SSJ3 is not better than SSJ3 Gotenks or Mystic Gohan, or that the English Dubbed Anime/Manga means nothing, since Japnese and Englsih Manga or Anime, are part of the DBZ Universe. Apparently Super Buu was stated to be equal to Fat Buu in power, only now his body is better suited for fighting Gohan and Gotenks are never actually stated to be stronger than Goku in either the manga or guidebooks (the guidebooks actually rule Goku out of the chain). Super Dragon Ball Heroes: Big Bang Mission!!! © 2020 GAMESPOT, A RED VENTURES COMPANY. He is refering to Gotenks, probably taking into account Goten and Trunks' ability to become a Super Saiya-jin. 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