@xxxcarzellxxx: AT said that Ssjg goku is a 6, bills is a 10 and whis is 15. Except the multiplicative fusion. Well, if they stated that Vegito is stronger then this is a massive plot hole as they stated Gogeta being stronger than Vegito first. So, Beerus can easily do that too. Fighters must get a * boost or Gotenks wouldn't be stronger than Fat Boo, it just wouldn't work. Meaning they had serious doubts vegito would win. I think it's a safe bet to say that he's not stronger than Beerus however. Even though the multiplier for Vegito is extremely high. Beerus needs to be this mountain for Goku and Vegeta to climb on their own. Considering how powerful Beerus is, the fusion might perhaps not last long enough for Gogeta / Vegito to defeat Beerus. Reply. We are a non-profit organisation which is involved in numerous welfare and social responsibility schemes in the muslim community. So Beerus is still likely several thousand times stronger then Goku and Vegeta. I went over many discussions back and forth , but I feel Whis power is really doubted . On most list of WHOS THE STRONGEST DB CHARECTER Super Vegito is on top. Vegito is stronger than Gogeta because Potara Fusion doesn't require one person to lower their power levels. Ilias says: December 7, 2018 at 3:30 pm First of all… It is said by everyone in the anime at this point that vegito is stronger. Let me check for it (it's when they are inside of Boo after he absorved Vegetto), @nickzambuto: Couldn't find it in english,but if you know where to find it, it's Ch. (edited by NegativeSymptom) Vegito is a multiplier of hundreds. What do you mean that Goku and Vegeta are incompatible? Whis is the strongest person in dbz at the moment. Gogeta Blue is definitely stronger. He didn't power up at all against SSJ3 Goku. Akira Toriyama said that Red Goku was 70% Of Beerus's power. @nickzambuto: Still,it doesn't change the fact that,for me, both Vegetto and Gogeta are inferior to either Whis or Beerus. The reasons being, for one, Goku and Vegeta have gotten significantly stronger throughout the T.O.P, in comparison to the Future Trunks arc. I'd be pleasantly surprised if he wasn't. He should be able to stomp Beerus. He would be stronger than Merged Zamasu by a significant Margin cause you have two SSB vs a SSR and a SS2 level guy. Vegeta is much too short for Gogeta to exist in canon. This just proves you are smarter than what I gave you credit for. Stronger than Beerus but weaker than Whis still imo, also Future Zamasu is not ssj2 lvl. What i'm saying is that Goku and Vegeta are compatible (at least that is what Goku thought) and Gogeta could exist. This could mean, Gogeta or Vegito could be potentially strong enough to defeat Beerus or be very relative to him in terms of power at the very least. During their training Whis stated that if Goku and Vegeta worked together they could defeat Beerus so it can be implied that if … I could go into detail on that, but I think the easiest way to prove things is the fact that GT Perfect Files stated that Vegetto's power was on par with SSJ4 Goku, and the gap between Whis and Vegetto is bigger than the gap between Shenron and Goku. And Enraged SSJ2 Vegeta was stronger than the suppressed Beerus that fought SSJ3 Goku, and Vegito > Vegeta. Potara fusion multiplys so 7*7=49. @xxxcarzellxxx: supreme kai and kibito fused, so they can also fuse. Unlikely, but technically it can't be proven. Ssgss>ssjg, so we can assume its atleast a 7. @deus: Whis is the strongest UNFUSED character in Dragon Ball verse so far. Black received a power up in the latest episode and Vegeta + Goku were having trouble dealing with JUST Black's clones. Well Goku said that but he also expected to be able to do Fusion Dance with Vegeta after he broke the potara earring. Jiren's power was stated to be considerably above that of any ki previously sensed by Vegeta and Kaioshin in EP109, which would include both Fused Zamasu (who put up a much better fight against SSB Vegetto than Broly did against SSB Gogeta) and Beerus (who cut loose against Champa twice, and who full … Eh, well I'll just concede you're probably right anyway. However, supreme kai was only wondering if ssb vegito was stronger, he never said he was stronger outright. Although, Goku will probably approach Whis levels on his own, and by extension, you could argue a newer version of Vegito surpassing Whis. Beerus in this answer is obviously stronger, we know he’s in the Kaioken x20 - UI level, so for sure, he’s stronger than Vegito. Proof Vegito is stronger than Beerus? The best part is at that point in the movie, Goku had only been exposed to a fraction of Beerus' strength. @parallax_hal_jordan: Do you have a scan or clip for that? IMO the power gap between Vegeto and Zamazu won't be as big as people are thinking. If you were doing the Potara A x B thing, wouldn't Zamastwo have a large advantage over Vegecarrot in that his two ingredients have stronger base forms? The fact that Goku said fusing with Vegeta probably wouldn't be enough to defeat Beerus doesn't really prove anything because Potara Fusions were much much more powerful than regular fusion. I'm hoping Vegito and Beerus would be similiar in power, just so Beerus doesn't get left in the dust so quickly. Black knowing how to control saiyin ki now and zamasu being immortal. So, MUI Beerus > MUI Goku who beated Limit Broken Jiren. SSB Vegeta > SSR Blacku and SSB Goku > Doesn't Have Any Transformations Zamasu but that's the other way round in their base forms. Secondly, irrespective of whether Broly is stronger than Beerus, his power has been compared to a God of destruction. So it would be Goku x Vegeta to give base Bejitto who would then go SSB vs Zamasu x Black = Zack who then goes Super Saiyan Platinum Blonde. SSGSS Vegetto should be more powerful than Whis. Dragon Ball: 15 Characters Stronger Than Frieza (And 15 Strange Ones Who Aren’t) Frieza is synonymous with the Dragon Ball saga. 506 p.13. I just want to know what people make of this and if it would effect anything. The Official Website of the Alipore Muslim Association of South Africa. If we're talking about the anime, I doubt that even SSJB Vegito from the FT arc was stronger than Beerus. Beerus said to Vegito who powered up causing the ground beneath him to crack. He might be able to put up a fight against Beerus but I don't think he would be stronger than him but thats just my opinion. @valarmelkor: The Fusion Dance requires the users to be the same height, among other factors. "Tch. If that sounds familiar, it’s because that’s sort of Beerus’ job. For example, for Dr Manhattan, it shows Movie Manhattan, but we use Rebirth Manhattan. It's basically impossible to judge how powerful Vegito is and how he ranks amongst Beerus & Whis. Do you think he would be on the level of a Whis or even beyond maybe Grand Priest? Beerus fingerflicks him into oblivious but more than likely he's going to suppress himself to get an even fight against Vegito. They couldn't land a hit ... My question is I think Whis is the strongest DB character of all . He should give Merged Zamasu the Super Buu treatment if he does appear but I'm kinda betting that they wouldn't do that just for the sake of having a good fight. 2 years ago. Or at least not need to fear him. And Beerus was following the fight through his senses, but showed lack of interest in both Gogeta and Broly. Goku might just have forgot about the Fusion Dance requirements though. Rage Vegeta is still the biggest power up in the series it seems, which makes sense, the SSJ forms are based on rage and Vegeta more then doubled his power from 6 months trying to hone his rage in the time chamber. @jayyzoh: I do believe that, yes. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Vegetto is weaker than even 1% of Beerus' power, and Whis is strong enough to oneshot Beerus. Jokes aside, where would you put Daishinkan on this list? So, Blue Goku; with time chamber training and kaioken ontop? 14 WHIS IS STRONGER THAN BEERUS. @valarmelkor: And why would Goku be thinking about fusion dance when he and Vegeta are incompatible in canon, and Vegetto is an actual character who existed and Gogeta is not nor could he be? I want SSB Vegito to be strong enough to beat merged Zamasu but still be far behind Beerus. Goku wanted to do Fusion Dance with Vegeta against Super Buu. But why do some people list Super Vegito over Whis? @valarmelkor: Do you have a scan or clip for that statement? The manga is canon, refusing that is pointless, it does however, follow a different story than the anime. Idk that's just my opinion though. I've seen people say Fusion Dance gets a + boost and Potara gets a * boost so Vegito must be stronger but this isn't ever stated outright and doesn't even need to be considered. Reply. Judging by how the series is going, he'll more than likely still be weaker than Beerus. Well, if they stated that Vegito is stronger then this is a massive plot hole as they stated Gogeta being stronger than Vegito first. There is no MUI Vegito and Vegito isnt stronger than Beerus. Vegito is powerful but he`s not that powerful it`s confusion and ignorance in regards to the characters. Although Gogeta has never existed in the manga, Goku was considering fusing with Vegeta when they were inside Super Boo. And why would Goku be thinking about fusion dance when he and Vegeta are incompatible in canon, and Vegetto is an actual character who existed and Gogeta is not nor could he be? Another important factor to consider is the time limit for fusion. Retaining the memories of both Goku and Vegeta, Vegito is a more cocky, vindictive character than Goku, with a personality closer to Vegeta's. The Super Saiyan God powerup was a much bigger boost than people give it credit for, easily the biggest singular boost in the whole franchise. Ignorance comes more from dbz gods side.I mean i saw some people saying Beerus at 1% would one shot ssj3 Vegito, you gotta be kidding me.They are strong but not that strong. Not only do I think he will be stronger but he is also immortal so even if SSB Vegito is a bit stronger than merged Zamasu they will still have trouble dealing with his immortality. @parichithayerakala: where does it say unfused or did you add that yourself ? Goku thought about the fusion even before he gained the ssjg transformation. discord.gg/dbz, Press J to jump to the feed. Vegito Picture doesn't mean anything. As a result, it has made Vegeta, if he was to somehow battle against Vegito or Gogeta, stronger than … If Vegito Blue ever existed. Who is a bit stronger than SSB Vegito in Zamasu Arc. But I do believe Gogeta can push Beerus pretty close to his limits. For starters, Jiren is stated to be stronger than a god of destruction. Stronger than Beerus but weaker than Whis still imo, also Future Zamasu is not ssj2 lvl. Thinking though Whis used no extent of power when training with vegeta and goku . Vegetto is weaker than even 1% of Beerus' power, and Whis is strong enough to oneshot Beerus. @xxxcarzellxxx: well if goku and vegeta fuse now they would be stronger than Whis. Beerus and Whis are literally confirmed to be the two strongest characters in the franchise. Whis is currently the strongest unfused character in the dragon ball franchise. Vegeta and Goku didn't have any problems with the clones though, they were one-shotting them it's just the fact that the clones regenerated. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. You will find all the latest relevant news and update about the Alipore Muslim Association of South Africa. We also provide student loans to assist in the education of our members. @parichithayerakala: you don't know if gods can even fuse and whis is still the strongest and they contemplated fusing to beat beerus who is <<<<< whis. @parichithayerakala: you said whis is the strongest unfused but im sure he's the strongest in the franchise period. One might think that with a title like "God of Destruction," Beerus would be the strongest being in his universe. "I am not sure how you survived that Hakai. So apparently Blue Vegito is stronger than Beerus in the manga. Narrow-minded people in this thread, Whis is the strongest character in the Dragon Ball verse thus far. Regardless of whether or not he’s stronger than Beerus specifically, it’s still extremely impressive and it definitely means it’s possible that he’s stronger than … I'd say it's fair to be equal with two pissed off ssb's fused. Dragon Ball Super manga chapter 61 just dropped and with it came several revelations, with the main one being Vegeta’s new technique that the Yardrats thought him. That doesn't mean he's stronger, just a similar tier. No. I like your numbering! New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, A subreddit for all things Dragon Ball! Here's my opinion, I think Vegito Blue is a bit stronger than Beerus, however, In a 1v1 fight, Beerus would win because of Vegito Blues very short time limit. Ssb vegito being comparable to beerus was talked about in two sources, the manga and during an interview with toyotaro. "HAKAI" Beerus announced, as he released another Hakai Sphere at Vegito. Sure, Vegito got high power levels and he is actually stronger than Beerus. @xxxcarzellxxx: about whom are you saying. Vegito easily overpowers Majin Buu, even after the monster has absorbed the powers and abilities of Gohan, Piccolo, Trunks and Goten, but defuses after allowing himself to be absorbed to rescue his sons. Funny how that title belonged to Gohan previously and now he is totally outclassed. I didn't know whis didn't say that in super other than what whis said beerus was very stressed when he saw ssb kaioken times 2 goku then when goku used kaioken times 10 he scared champa fusion Zamasu is way stronger than ssb kaioken times 10 goku nothing disproves that fusion Zamasu could be stronger than beerus and champa the same goes for vegito I think he'd be stronger than all but the omni-king himself. I think SSB Vegito will be weaker than merged Zamasu. So it just shows how wrong Goku is. 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